Comments on: Organizational Culture and Success: Dave Logan gives TED talk on Tribal Leadership

By: My Life Sucks « Planning Potential

My Life Sucks « Planning Potential — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 04:41:56 +0000

[…] just watched the TED video on Tribal Leadership that Margerit recommended in the discussion forum. It hooked me early on because the speaker […]

By: davelogan

davelogan — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:30:21 +0000

Hi Ori,

A TED speech allows very little time. Stage 5 is a different world from 4, but tribes only move one stage a time, so you're on to something. Stage is where the "we/they" disparity drops away and groups' only compass is their values. That's why I said "make history." The focus isn't on being better than another group, but on doing something impactful because doing so expresses the values of the group.

By the way, there's a free audiobook available from Zappos. It goes into much more detail. http://www.zappos.com/tribal.zhtml

By: Robert Richman

Robert Richman — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:42:25 +0000

There is a distinction here to add, which is whether the stage is stable or not. A tribe can enter a stage and leave it, and thus it is in the early stage (or not stable). In a conversation with one of the authors, I heard that they found no evidence yet of a stable stage five tribe.

It's a great concept you thought of there that perhaps stage five transcends the tribe itself and becomes something else. Very cool!

By: Julian D. Bergquist

Julian D. Bergquist — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:52:36 +0000

I had quite a few conversations with Dave Logan the past few months. The biggest thing once I got past understanding the stages, is developing my own leadership (and as a consultant helping other people develop theirs) so I can lead in a way that empowers other people to take initiative and work with whoever they need to rather than be the bottle neck.

I recording some of these calls with Dave and his co-author John here:
htpp://www.livepowerfully.com/calls

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By: 0ri

0ri — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:03:18 +0000

I'm a bit mystified by this alleged “stage 5 tribe” since the only attribute that is described about it is that “they can change the world” which seems to also describe the stage 4 tribe. In the video he gives the example that the Truth & Reconciliation commission in S.A. is a perfect example but then goes on to say it was a “stage 5 process” for bringing other tribes together. It seems that perhaps stage 5 doesn't really exist but is a product of stage 4 tribes? Or perhaps stage 5 by it's very definition expands beyond the tribe?

By: Casey

Casey — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:36:32 +0000

Thanks for pointing this out. I really enjoyed the video.